小山 发表于 2007-7-26 14:21:00

请问罗教授我的80草缸是用AT3336的滤桶 到目前为止已有半年没有清理过了 不知道要不要紧

罗松就是我 发表于 2007-7-27 22:17:00

<p>小山大:这关键要看里面物理过滤的效果怎样了 如果下半部分的生化过滤中有杂质(主要指有机物:粪便,叶片等),那就应该清洗了。重新清洗的过滤桶大概要1个</p><p>月后(准确来算是29点几天)才能建立稳定的硝化系统。</p>

漫步雨中 发表于 2007-7-28 03:06:00

不过氮气很适合某些水草的生长哦,那如果加些水草进去,会不会吸收分解掉????

养鱼人 发表于 2007-7-25 09:19:00

好贴,要顶哦,对了怎么样提高消化速率!!

SQ 发表于 2007-7-25 00:37:00

有卖?

罗松就是我 发表于 2007-7-25 00:09:00

嘿嘿~~~在药店买最贵的福马就行了

罗松就是我 发表于 2007-7-24 23:52:00

(原创)鱼类健康(疾病) 第七讲 NH4+ (铵根离子) 与 NH3(氨)

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face="Times New Roman"><span lang="EN-US"><span>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span></span><span lang="EN-US">NH<sub>3 </sub>+ H<sub>2</sub>O <span>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span></span><span lang="EN-US">NH<sub>4</sub><sup>+</sup></span><span lang="EN-US"> + OH<sup>-</sup><span>&nbsp; </span><p></p></span></font></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p><span>以上两者中只有</span><span lang="EN-US">NH<sub>3</sub></span><span>(氨)是对鱼类有毒性的,致毒原理在于细胞膜对其是通透的,可穿越的。因此容易导致细胞内外渗透压的变化,影响正常细胞生理活动。</span><span lang="EN-US">NH<sub>4</sub><sup>+</sup> (</span><span>铵根离子</span><span lang="EN-US">) </span><span>由于不能随意进出细胞膜,因此是无害的。由上面转化方程式我们可以知道这两者间能互相转化,根据影响化学平衡的基础知识,水体的温度,</span><span lang="EN-US">pH</span><span>,盐度都能影响以上转化方向从而导致平衡向两者中的一者进行转化。下面两张表是在海水和淡水中有毒</span><span lang="EN-US">NH<sub>3</sub></span><span>(氨)在总氨(</span><span lang="EN-US">NH<sub>3</sub></span><span>(氨)和</span><span lang="EN-US">NH4<sup>+</sup> (</span><span>铵根离子</span><span lang="EN-US">)</span><span>的两者总浓度)中的百分数:</span></p><span><p><span><br/><img title="dvubb" alt="图片点击可在新窗口打开查看" src="http://www.hxyylt.com/skins/default/filetype/jpg.gif" border="0"/>此主题相关图片如下:p1000691.jpg<br/><a href="http://www.hxyylt.com/UploadFile/2007-7/200772423434226119.jpg" target="_blank"><img title="dvubb" alt="图片点击可在新窗口打开查看" src="http://www.hxyylt.com/UploadFile/2007-7/200772423434226119.jpg" border="0" style="WIDTH: 500px;"/></a>图一是在海水中的非离子态氨(</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman">NH<sub>3</sub></font></span><span>(氨))占总氨的百分数</span></p><span><p><span><br/><br/><img title="dvubb" alt="图片点击可在新窗口打开查看" src="http://www.hxyylt.com/skins/default/filetype/jpg.gif" border="0"/>此主题相关图片如下:1.jpg<br/><a href="http://www.hxyylt.com/UploadFile/2007-7/200772423472094315.jpg" target="_blank"><img title="dvubb" alt="图片点击可在新窗口打开查看" src="http://www.hxyylt.com/UploadFile/2007-7/200772423472094315.jpg" border="0" style="WIDTH: 500px;"/></a>图二是在淡水中非离子态氨(</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman">NH<sub>3</sub></font></span><span>(氨))占总氨的百分数</span></p><p><span>在水产养殖中,测定有毒</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman">NH<sub>3</sub></font></span><span>(氨)的浓度是先测定总氨的溶度,通过滴定液确定总氨的溶度后再根据上面两张表查出</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman">NH<sub>3</sub></font></span><span>(氨)的百分数,最后得出其的溶度。</span></p><p><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman">NH<sub>3</sub></font></span><span>(氨)的安全浓度值会因不同的鱼只大小,鱼类品种而变化,但黄金守则为:成体鱼的安全浓度值为</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman">&lt;0.02mg/L, </font></span><span>幼鱼为</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman">&lt;0.002mg/L. </font></span><span>此外,</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman">NH<sub>3</sub></font></span><span>(氨)的排出通道在不同鱼类品种中也是不一样的,在淡水鱼中,</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman">90%</font></span><span>的</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman">NH<sub>3</sub></font></span><span>(氨)的排出是在尿液,而海水鱼则是</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman">20-50%</font></span><span>从头部排出。在计算</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman">NH<sub>3</sub></font></span><span>(氨)的溶度时还有一种粗略的计算方法,根据每公斤饲料(冷水鱼饲料,含</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman">NH<sub>3</sub></font></span><span>(氨)较高)含有</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman">30g</font></span><span>总氨来得到</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman">NH<sub>3</sub></font></span><span>(氨)的溶度。</span></p><p><span>在静态水体养殖中,比如家庭观赏鱼养殖,必须依靠硝化细菌来完成对</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman">NH<sub>3</sub></font></span><span>(氨)的进一步氧化转化,这将在后面几讲具体谈到。最有效避免</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman">NH<sub>3</sub></font></span><span>(氨)中毒的方法就是换去部分老水,换水的多少要根据计算出</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman">NH<sub>3</sub></font></span><span>(氨)的溶度来考虑。因为</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman">NH<sub>3</sub></font></span><span>(氨)的主要来源是饲料,因此在新水中</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman">NH<sub>3</sub></font></span><span>(氨)的溶度为零。</span></p><p><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman">NH<sub>3</sub></font></span><span>(氨)中毒的鱼只轻者出现的症状是鱼鳃受损,鱼鳃细胞增生导致呼吸困难,食欲下降,免疫系统功能下降。当</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman">NH<sub>3</sub></font></span><span>(氨)溶度过高时,鱼只因为神经脱极化,神经细胞死亡而死亡。</span></p><p><span>对水体</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman">NH<sub>3</sub></font></span><span>(氨)溶度降低的方法主要有一下几点:</span></p><p><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman">1.<span>&nbsp;&nbsp; </span></font></span><span>减少养殖鱼只密度</span></p><p><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman">2.<span>&nbsp;&nbsp; </span></font></span><span>增大换水率</span></p><p><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman">3.<span>&nbsp;&nbsp; </span></font></span><span>提高硝化速率</span></p><p><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman">4.<span>&nbsp;&nbsp; </span></font></span><span>提高物理过滤,减少水体有机物含量</span></p><p><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman">5.<span>&nbsp;&nbsp; </span></font></span><span>降低投喂量</span></p><p><span lang="EN-US"><span><font face="Times New Roman">&nbsp; </font></span></span><span>当鱼只判断为因</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman">NH<sub>3</sub></font></span><span>(氨)而中毒时,为了减低鱼鳃细胞因受损而感染的概率,要对病鱼进行时间为</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman">1</font></span><span>小时的福尔马林药浴,溶度为</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman">167ppm(</font></span><span>水体温度大于</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman">10</font></span><span>度,当小于</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman">10</font></span><span>度,溶度增大到</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman">250ppm). </font></span><span>如果没有福尔马林,可用</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman">Chloramine-T</font></span><span>来代替,溶度为</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman">5-10mg/L</font></span><span>,时间也是一小时。一上两种治疗方法都需在药浴时对水体增氧。</span></p><p><span lang="EN-US"><span><font face="Times New Roman">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </font></span></span><span>罗松</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman"><br/>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</font></span></p><p><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman"><span>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span><span>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span></font></span><span>完成于厦门</span></p></span></span></div>
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SQ 发表于 2007-7-25 00:05:00

<p>福尔马林药浴。</p><p>厦门哪里能获得?</p>

罗松就是我 发表于 2007-7-25 11:28:00

<div class="msgheader">QUOTE:</div><div class="msgborder"><b>以下是引用<i>养鱼人</i>在2007-7-25 9:19:00的发言:</b><br/>好贴,要顶哦,对了怎么样提高消化速率!!</div><p>哈哈 快讲到了哦 主要是控制水质条件,温度 pH 盐度等</p>

罗松就是我 发表于 2007-7-25 11:31:00

有的 如果药店没有 去兽药店就有了

罗松就是我 发表于 2007-7-25 17:02:00

闪烁灵魂 发表于 2007-7-25 16:55:00

呵呵 罗教授的大座 占个位置慢慢看!

养鱼人 发表于 2007-8-7 15:44:00

<div class="msgheader">QUOTE:</div><div class="msgborder"><b>以下是引用<i>小山</i>在2007-7-26 14:21:00的发言:</b><br/>请问罗教授我的80草缸是用AT3336的滤桶 到目前为止已有半年没有清理过了 不知道要不要紧</div>你的缸不会有问题的,第一你有定期添加新水,第2,你的底沙就是一个巨大的菌床繁殖培育着消化菌,还有你缸里的鱼几乎都是喜欢老水的鱼,所以问题不大的!

罗松就是我 发表于 2007-8-2 00:33:00

<p>氮气好象不素在这份里面说的啊 上面说的是<strong>NH4+ (铵根离子) 与 NH3(氨)</strong>
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